think he lost credibility by the time it got to the government. nick, i want to bring you in here on the technology front. we have problems with health care and problems with energy and problems, obviously, and problem with huge jobs in this country. one thing to the invention of electricity and automobile and airplane and internet, if there is a way out of the pickle it lives in the world that you cover. for job creation and for solutions for energy and for health care. are you seeing any meaningful movement beyond the little venture stuff that we typically see? i'm thinking about the ge movement into the plant in michigan. what are you seeing in the private sector in engaging a solution-based situation as opposed to a technology-based situation? >> we're seeing technology companies are doing all right. they took a big hit as every company took a big hit. >> i'm not concerned about that. i'm concerned whether we are seeing innovators and creators to latch on to health care and latch on to the labor force we have that is continuing to being laid off and try to real late and retrain that force. are you seeing anything like that, jonathan? >> we had a meeting at "the washington post" with governor granholm of michigan. she said we have the employee base. manufacturing is what you do so you, ge and turbine and solar companies you need to come to michigan to set up shop. we have the work force and have the factories and know what we're doing. they are spending a lot of money retraining the michigan task force. they are putting a lot of incentives because they recognize if they do not retrain the work force and if they do not get those factories that are now idle back up and running, michigan is sunk. >> let's be honest here. if you look at the typical work force for the typical technology companies, something jonathan was describing and the typical work force that supports the typical auto plant in america right now, what percentage of that work force is retrainable and reusable and redeployable in the context that jonathan just described in your opinion? >> some for hardware and little for software. >> what about windmills and energy technology. not that windmills are a solution. >> this is a point what went wrong in detroit. in detroit, it was hard for small companies to get a foothold. >> why? >> because the big companies would often buy -- say i made a new kind of piston and big company would buy it and bury, right? >> congressman, was there a culture in detroit of buying and burying new technology? >> we have three companies. there should vven 40 companies. >> they are certainly last users of technology. >> why don't we have ten or 15 american automakers and people say we only had three and i know that we did, but the world has 10 or 15. it's our three became less and less competitive. i don't know whether the best way forward here congressman is to try to resurrect more automakers basically or to do something else with these people. >> here's the one thing that i haven't talked about. yes, they were inefficient in a lot of ways and trying to go through those changes. uaw problems, yes. management problems, yes. government mandates on the auto industry are huge. in 2007, $80 billion and they made them produce cars that literally they had to sell that they couldn't make money on. >> i know. >> it's common. all three of those things have to change and i can see that happening, other than the government is now running the car company which i think is very dangerous. >> yeah. jonathan, how do you reconcile for the fact the politically expedient culture of washington makes decisions that affect tax policy, that affect manufacturing policy, that affects technology, but that damage everything else? in other words, politicians will say do this because i'll get reelected and create a policy -- > well, wait. but are we talking about the immediate situation of gm, the iconic brand? >> we are not. we're accepting -- listen, we'll accept the gm problem as evidence of a larger problem. >> right. >> and deal with the larger problem. >> but the government realize if we let gm go, it could be a bigger problem. >> no problem. citigroup and aig, set that aside and say we need a real solution. if we accept the taxpayer money had to be brought into the parachute on the gm side and parachute on the banking side and pulling the parachute does not solve for the fact your plane is on fire and you had to jump out of it right. >> but that also requires really hard tough decisions that folks in washington don't really have the courage to make. >> well, i think the onus is on the american people and american journalists to force them to make those decisions. otherwise they will continue to take money from our children and chinese and other bowers borrowers. >> also the -- >> but the american people need to get better information so they can make better decisions as well. >> a goal we can set we can save the three companies and save this many jobs and do all we can. we want ten years from now more than thre car companies and, more important, we want the people from the best schools to say i want to go into the auto industry because that is the place where you can make money and that's not what it's been for a long time. >> what is the structure and technology and computer and biotechnology in california that attracts those people that -- >> it's the ability to know if i invent a better product -- >> here is the problem with that. if i have an idea for a new software application for the iphone and get with jonathan and we click around, all we need to do is spend 5 or 10 grand to get started, i can't go start a car company with jonathan. >> you can build a part for the car and if you have a guarantee there are many companies and if you have a better part and there are ten companies, you have a much better chance of one of them saying i want that. >> this is a great goal but the thing, though, is what role do unions play in all of this? what is their role now and what is going to be their role in the future? because some people would say that it's because of union rules and things, that that's why the car companies couldn't innovate or reach for the stars. >> attract the silicon valley crowd or the kids going to wall street at a school in california. >> work rules show make more than one car on the line. >> yeah. congressman, thank you so much. i want to to have you back as often as i can because i think michigan is a great case study and what america has to deal with here which, again, a huge transition what we do and how we do it and manufacturing at the heart of it. thank you, congressman. i'll talk to you two in a second. >>> we switch our attention here to sarah palin's e-mail account. why not? are you able to hack into somebody else's e-mail account by using google?