he is saying he failed tests in 2003 and that was the culture. that is what he is saying now. he has no choice. does he want to do what roger clemens did? barry bonds? now we find out that he failed three tests. this is his chance to come clean. explain the mentality behind why he did it. martha: you make a good point. with me now is a legal analyst for sports illustrated. he said that was a culture. he is very emotional. he is usually not that great in interviews but this is the most human that i have seen him. michael, what do you think? >> i agree with brian, that he did the right thing by admitting that. the alternative would have been to take a more legalistic approach and claimed he did not do it. if he were to pick with government officials, that would put him in the rest of legal jeopardy. martha: i think it is a relief that someone admitted. pettitte admitted to it before. this is the culture, this is happening. one can hope he can be part of the movement to set things straight. what we do not know is how long he used them. >> or if he stopped. i interviewed him before. he was pretty small and wiry. and what makes you think he would stop? is he going to come clean and say that he kept on doing it to keep up with the elite players? will he say for a brief period of time i tried it and i found out i did not get better so i went off it? martha: once you open this door there will be more questions. even laypeople like us, you look at someone's body and there are a lot of similarities in terms of how these drugs make your body look. >> i agree. alex rodriguez has said i was under a lot of pressure at the time. i certainly deserve blame but this was part of the culture. maybe this is something the league should have done something about. trace: maybe? absolutely. they are totally at fault. also, the union took off the players' union -- tipped off the players' union that these tests were coming. you have to be kidding me. he is guilty. >> you wonder what congress's reaction will be. they are a big critic of baseball and the players association for not having come clean. martha: this commission was created to do these tests. they were to be done in an anonymous way. they were to go have their blood tested and the determination would be that 5% of players were using to help their performance. so why only alex rodriguez? there were 104 players who tested positively. who is leaking information and why are we only hear about him? >> there are different sources. it could be the government. there are also a number of people who have seen the last two could be leaking the information. legally, alex rodriguez could claim that there was a breach of duty. this was supposed to be kept classified. i do not think he will take a legal approach. but there are other names there. brian: i do not care. it helps us. i want to know that the game that i watch and i follow, i want to know who was taking steroids. i want to know those other names. these 88 new they were being tested. think about how arrogant they were? they still failed the test. the only reason we did not get even more is because now we are finding out that they were being tipped off that they were coming. and still some of them have failed. martha: jose canseco has said all this before. he is right on all of this stuff. brian: think about this. your home run champion els three tests. the next one has now admitted that he took steroids. baseball has to wait another 15 years for another baseball champion. meris should get back the single season record as well. martha: does baseball do what it needs to do to make things clean? mlb has never been tough on the problem. >> i think the players association need to be careful in terms of the leasing the other information. they may have a fiduciary duty of confidentiality that may permit them -- prevent them from doing so. martha: i agree it is good to get this in the open, but i also agree with michael. if you are taking a test in every one is told that this is to stop the problem -- they said they were going to get rid of all the tests. why did they keep it? >> it has something to do with the barry bonds case. all of these names are playing a role. now that those names are out there, we know that there was a lawyer leaking the stuff to two san francisco lawyers. trace: they wanted to know who was connected to balco and the rest of the players. the bottom line is even if you were not boston does not mean that you were not speak -- cheating.